Chatting With Julieanna Hever; Plant-Based Dietitian, Author, TEDx speaker, and instructor

Today I am chatting with Julieanna Hever. Julieanna Hever, MS, RD, CPT, The Plant-Based Dietitian, has a BA in Theatre and an MS in Nutrition, bridging her biggest passions for food, presenting, and helping people. She has authored five books, including The Healthspan Solution, Plant-Based Nutrition (Idiot’s Guides), and The Vegiterranean Diet, and two peer-reviewed journal articles on plant-based nutrition for healthcare professionals.

HealthspanSolution.com and PlantBasedDietitian.com

This series features conversations I conducted with individuals who have dedicated their work and lives to Vegan research, businesses, art, and society. This podcast series is hosted by Patricia Kathleen and Wilde Agency Media. 

 

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[00:00:00] In this episode, I had the opportunity to speak with plant based dietitian, author and Ted speaker Julianna Hever key points addressed were three of her five books titled The Health Span Solution, Plant based Nutrition and the Vegetarian Diet. We also get into the current trends and terminology in the ever changing science and community of fasting, while discussing how she helps her audience incorporate fasting into their lives. Stay tuned for my awesome chat with Julianna Hever. 

 

[00:00:36] My name is Patricia Kathleen, and this series features interviews and conversations I conduct with experts from medicine and science to health and humanitarian arenas in an effort to explore the world of fasting from a variety of angles. This dialog is meant to develop a more complete story about the information, research, personal stories and culture in and around the science and lifestyle of fasting. If you're enjoying this podcast, be sure to check out our subsequent series that dove deep into specific areas such as founders and entrepreneurs. Vegan life and roundtable topics. They can be found on our Web site. Patricia Kathleen.COM, where you can also join our newsletter. You can also subscribe to all of our series on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, Podbean and YouTube. Thanks for listening. Now let's start the conversation. Hi, everyone, and welcome back. 

 

[00:01:30] I'm Patricia, your host, and today I'm speaking with Julianna Hever, she is a plant based dietitian, author and Ted speaker. You can find out more on both of her Web sites. Health span solution, dot com and plant based dietitian, dot com. Welcome, Julianna. 

 

[00:01:46] Thank you so much for having me. 

 

[00:01:48] Absolutely. I look forward to unpacking everything that you've done. And for everyone listening or watching Vodcast, we will first. 

 

[00:01:54] Well, we'll read a bio on Julianna. But before I do that, to give you a roadmap of what we'll be looking at today and kind of unearthing, I'm going to look at three of her books. Julianne has written several books, and namely, I'm going to look at three, the vegetarian diet. Number one, the second one, we plant based Nutrition Idiot's Guide. And third one will be the Health Spend Solution published in 2019. And outside of that, we'll unpack kind of the ethos and the philosophy behind that. We will also begin with an academic, personal and professional platform. I'll ask you in on it to define kind of how she came to writing these books and other works that she's working on within her Web sites. We'll also get into some of the specifics in the ethos behind terms and terminology in the current climate. Discussing the Kofod 19 pandemic briefly and some of the terms that are ever changing in the world of veganism and vegetarianism. We'll wrap everything up with it. Goals and advice. Giuliani may have for her current work endeavors or even personal endeavors. So a quick bio as promised on Juliana. Juliana Giuliani is an M.S. R.D. CBT, the plant based dietician, has a B.A. in theater and an M.S. in nutrition, bridging her biggest passions for food, presenting and helping people. She has authored five books, including Health Spend Solution, Plant based Nutrition, Idiot's Guide and the Vegetarian Diet, and two peer reviewed journal articles on plant based nutrition for health care professionals. She was the host of What Would Juliano Do? Gave a TED talk and instructed for the E Cornell plant based nutrition certification program. She's appeared on the Dr. Oz Show, Harry and The Steve Harvey Show. Julianna is the co-founder and nutrition director for Afro's, co-host of the podcast Science and Sorcery. And she speaks, she speaks and consults with clients around the globe. You can find her again at Plett, these dietician, icon and health spend solution Duckhorn. So, Juliano, I'm excited to kind of climb through. You are no stranger to being peppered with questions, but prior to getting into your current works, the three books we mentioned, I'm hoping you can kind of draw an academic and professional background and intermixed with your own personal narrative or story regarding vegetarian and vegan lifestyle. 

 

[00:04:17] Oh, there's. Where do we begin? Well, I was always interested in nutrition and fitness. Always like since I was a child, I have audiotapes of me teaching aerobics to my cousins and friends at five years old. And it was always kind of interested in learning more about what we eat and how it impacts your body and health and all that. And so I just started reading and reading, reading probably around teenage years when I stumbled upon a book called Diet for a New America and learned about the implications of what ends up on our plate. It changed me. It kind of had a really profound influence on how I saw our food and our plate. And I decided I wanted to omit animal products from my diet. But at that time, there was no Internet and there was no you know, I didn't have anyone to really go to or ask questions about. So I cut out animal products, tried to navigate the situation kind of by myself. And of course, my parents were worried about me as most parents would be because I wasn't cooking. I was I would just kind of, you know, doing my own thing. And so I they had they actually listed their friend, who is a nurse, to instill fear in me of being deficient in protein. And I heard and, you know, all that and it was effective. And I got scared back into, you know, eating the standard traditional diet. But I was still I still had a lot of question marks and I was sure that there was a way more to this story. And I just kept investigating and learning and learning. And then I became a personal trainer while I was an undergraduate because I was an actress in Los Angeles. And, you know, this is always the whole you know, I have to lose weight. You know, four camera ready, Bubba, blah. And that led me to two personal training. Fell in love with personal training because it brought my passion for fitness into being. And I started training. Rawly was acting on the side. But everyone started asking me questions about nutrition. And I was not willing to just, you know, regurgitate the information I had learned and aggregated in a chapter of a personal training handbook and from my own personal education. So right away, I. I signed up. I applied for graduate school and a dietetics program. And I was doing that and I fell in love. It was the first time in my life that I loved school and was getting straight A's and just loved I was just lapping it all up. The biochemistry, the clinical nutrition, just all of it. 

 

[00:06:41] And so did my internship and lots of science and learning how to dig deep into the science, something I hadn't really, you know, delved into prior to that as much. 

 

[00:06:55] And so when I finished graduate school, that's when I started going back and finding out. Oh, wait a second. Yes, you can get protein from plants and yes, you can get iron better sourced from plants. And once I found all of that and started digging and digging and digging, that was it. I changed my diet. I went all out. I was an adult. So it was it was my time I could do. I wasn't living under my parents' roof anymore. And my health changed profoundly. Just personally, I. I ameliorated lifelong sinus infections and G.I. problems. I had so many G.I. problems. 

 

[00:07:32] I was in the hospital so many times, in fact, so many times and so many different types of health care practitioners that I saw. Not once was I asked, what do you eat? Which was kind of mind blowing. So it changed my health. 

 

[00:07:45] And then I started implementing these changes with my clients and was blown away by the efficacy and the results that I was seeing with my clients that I had not seen prior when utilizing the tools that I had been given in graduate school and an internship. So once I started teaching plant based to my clients and seeing them, you know, I always say results are typical. They would get off their medications. They would reverse diseases that were supposed to be lifelong, like advanced cardiovascular disease or Type two diabetes or hypertension or, you know, hyperlipidemia, things that were not supposed to get better that doctors don't expect to see you get better. They were getting better. And I it's been now 15 years and this every day. I keep saying results are typical because we see extraordinary things happen. And I'm so glad there's no looking back after that. 

 

[00:08:33] Absolutely. So I'm wondering what it sounds like you were already on this correct career trajectory as you kind of the benefits of the lifestyle start to kick in for you personally. 

 

[00:08:43] What prompted you to write your first book or endeavor in your first Web site? Which what was the first movement after you became certified? 

 

[00:08:53] That's a good question. I I was like I was transitioning because I was personal training. Got pregnant at the end of my education. 

 

[00:09:02] And then we had my first child and I was like, okay, well, my ex-husband is a physician. So he was like, okay, well, you can, you know, raise the kids. So it's like I dropped my personal training business. And that's when I just finished grad school was like, okay. So I just kept reading and learning, started changing, you know, seeing clients in a different way, not personal training anymore. And persay like not going to I was going to people's homes, you know, three times a week. And working them out like that was what I was doing prior to having babies. But then I had my two children and I was at home and I was going on weekends to see a client or work try. I was trying to integrate telehealth, which is quite interesting because now it's like this is the best time ever. But this was a long time ago before it was really a thing. So while I was at home researching, I guess, and starting to see clients kind of sporadically, I was I was asked to give talks. I was I started a Web site. I started yet I was getting on social media. And then fortuitously, because I've always wanted to write a book, I just don't know what or when or how or what. But literally, I got an email, so I it was it must have been from my blog was out there or something. And this agent who's now still my agent, reached out and said, we're looking for someone to write. It was at the time Complete Idiot's Guide to Vegan Nutrition. And so I basically had to do a proposal and I'd never done this before. So it was kind of this last minute does I feel like it was just this gift and I got the job. I changed the title to The Complete Idiot's Guide to Plant Based Nutrition, and it published in 2011. And it's just, you know, and that was it. And then like, for instance, after that published, I got a phone call from a producer from Dr. Oz Show, like everything just kind of sort of happened. I think plant based was becoming a huge thing. You know, especially that's part of why was transitioning away from the word Vegan because I like to focus on you. I'm an I'm a dietitian. 

 

[00:10:48] I focus on the health aspects of it. I'm not an ethicist or, you know, don't like to talk about all the other stuff that are involved in it to that now that you just dropped that. 

 

[00:10:57] That's one of my biggest questions for all guests that I try to have on in this series. And that is the number one divisive and kind of heated factor right now. 

 

[00:11:08] How do you yourself personally define Vegan and plant based. Those two terms? 

 

[00:11:14] Yes. So I did that in my first book and I've been doing ever since and every book and it has kind of evolved in and devolved and it's really interesting. So basically, the most basic way to describe it is a vegan diet is basically an exclusive definition. It means I do not eat or use animals, and that's really the extent of it. It is a diet that is does not include animals. Doesn't mean what it is. And that's why I gravitated towards the term whole food plant based diet that I was initiated by Dr T Colin Campbell. And a Whole Foods plant based diet means I eat a diet based on whole plant foods. And then we've since evolved. This are our last book. Our most recent book is The Health Band Solution, and we talk about a health band diet and we're actually even gravitating more, I guess. Away from the terms just because it's gotten so cloudy, you know, and there's as onset like ever since this happened, you know, in the last decade, even there's been a huge, huge explosion of plant based foods which aren't necessarily in alignment with a health band promoting or healthful promoting diet. Right. 

 

[00:12:24] And herein lies the rub. Regardless of the Vegan term, which a lot of people felt was politicized. 

 

[00:12:30] You're saying it's based on exclusions rather than inclusions. There's another issue with the plant based in that it's being attached like fortified with vitamin D was in the 80s. Every one who wants to push it is something healthy or good for you is saying plant based. And the item, first of all, is, you know, containing animal products. So vegans are having a hard time attaching themselves to that term anymore. And it's frequently attached to things that have preservatives and that are notoriously unhealthy. And so do you. Do you foresee something coming off the ocean that's, you know, even a newer term than plant based? Or do you think it still will be like a guiding light for people trying to do? Or will it be Whole Foods plant based, which is a new argument about this? You know, it has to be like a complete food. How do you. 

 

[00:13:16] Well, it's actually a Whole Foods plant based diet has is not new. It's an old term. And the way it's being changed, like things like, you know, saying I'm not only what's the word, it's a I can't think of the word right now that people are using a lot of. I'm blanking on the word, there's a word for it. Like, that's basically another word, another like euphemism for an omnivore diet. It'll come to me. But I am. We did change the terminology. We are seeing health span now because. Well, my focus now is on health, man and and wellness. And it's we have kind of defined that now the diet as a diet based on vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, mushrooms, nuts, seeds, herbs and spices in tasty combinations of soup, salad sites and sweets. So we're kind of taking it to the next level because there is so much obfuscation when it comes to nutrition and diet and like just everywhere. And a lot of that stems from what we call macro confusion, the use of carbs, protein and fat to define food groups and to define how we eat and what we avoid. And it's absolutely meaningless. Absolutely confusing. And has we want to get that terminology out of our conversations. We want to focus on foods. So, yes, it's going to change. And it's you know, people are going to call what we know. Now, I hear plant based diets include meat, but don't exclude him. It just gets so wishy washy. And there really it doesn't really matter much because it's really semantics. 

 

[00:14:49] Well, and I think that that's the key term of having everyone who you're looking at when you're looking at worlds of veganism or any other dietary restrictions fruitarian sorry, like it's an area in which are people that are, you know, using meat flexibly or the integration of vegetables flexibly, depending on how you look at it. 

 

[00:15:08] However, I think it's very key to understand that you need to make people define their terms, which is why I asked you to define the difference for you between Vegan and plant based, because anytime you're looking at a company or an author, you need to make sure because these terms are so flexible right now, as is everything in our society in the United States, things are being redefining, redefined across the board. I think it's key to make sure that you realize how people are defining themselves into that. And I'm hoping that we can look at the vegetarian diet. 

 

[00:15:39] And let me read you a quick synopsis and then get your take on what that particular book is back. And then we'll double back to the plant based Nutrition Idiot's Guide, because I know that that was revamped in 2018. But you mentioned that in 2012, the vegetarian diet, and it takes that Medd to a whole new level by focusing on whole plant foods that promote long term wellness and ideal weight management. You can reap the benefits from the most research to belove diet, made even healthier the vegetarian diet and then did the things that it offers is comprehensive nutritional info, shopping lists, 40 recipes, flexible meal plans and strategy for overall health. So when you launched this in 2012, it was again a little bit before its time when Mediterranean diets were just kind of being analyzed for obviously their cardiovascular health and things of that nature. What what was your main impetus for writing this book? 

 

[00:16:35] Well, yes, actually, I was looking at the literature on the Mediterranean diet that's quite old. You know, since maybe 50, 60, 70 started in the 1950s, 1960s at that point. It's like that's when it all kind of evolved. And what happens every year is that we get these reports. You know, the best diet, the healthiest diet, because people always kind of looking for that. And the Mediterranean diet kind of wins almost every year. You know, the healthiest diet for cardiovascular disease for for everything. And I was looking at the literature on wholefood plant based diet where quite literally, it's the only diet that has ever reversed advance stage cardiovascular disease and type two diabetes. It has so much amazing evidence supporting the reduction of medication, all the things I noted before that I witnessed now with clients. And there's just a plethora of research showing that. So I kept wondering, well, why is the Mediterranean diet getting all the props when look at what a plant based diet really can do. And so that made me kind of want to dig deep and go all the way back to the beginning of the so-called Mediterranean diet, which really originated with and so Ki's work. And that's where it was really brought back to the United States. And what I determined and what I looked at was, well, wait a minute, the actual the actual diet was mostly a whole food plant based diet, predominantly based on eating whole plants. It wasn't the fish and the olive oil and the red wine that we've kind of interpreted it now. You know, convenience is like, oh, I'm just going to pour some olive oil all over my steak and have a glass of red wine and I'm going to get all the benefit. And that just simply isn't true. So I kind of identified a few reasons why it was effective. And mostly mostly because it's a whole food plant based diet. 

 

[00:18:21] Yeah, absolutely. And I think it impacts it fairly well from the skimming I did of it. Turning back to plant based Nutrition Idiot's Guide, and you offer a new food triangle, which I know is kind of the the beginners look into, you know, reassessing what we all were taught as children about food I think still are. 

 

[00:18:40] The food triangle, as far as I know, is still ridiculously disproportionate and funded by the industries that it represents. But I think that you offering the new perspective of the macro in nutrients that you were kind of discussing and the latest science on the. Different priorities. Common recipes and different things like that health span, as you mentioned, in menus, when you talk about, you know, a complete guide. Do you feel like someone who doesn't know anything about veganism can go out picture or purchase this book, garner a really good sense of the diet of plant based? You know, hopefully a plant based diet as well as kind of implementation steps, or does it feature more one aspect than the other? 

 

[00:19:25] No, it's it's an idiot's guide. And I mean, some people say, how could this be an idiot's guide? It's really scientifically intensive, but it is used for the lay person. And it is a reference. It is. We put so much into this book. It's like all the whys, all the research behind it. We weren't allowed to reference in that book. So we're excited about our new book where we were able to include the references. And we both, between me and my partner, recognized we have about five papers on plant based diet that are really well referenced specifically for physicians and health care professionals. But that's what the whole what we love about the Idiot's Guide plant based intuition is that it's it's for everyone, like anyone could read it, understand it. And then it's not only the whys in the background, but it's like a chapter for children and infants and pregnancy and seniors and athletes. We work with a lot of athletes, a chapter on weight loss, like all the different populations and time of life where things may change nutritionally. And it's like everything, all what you need, what to focus on and then how to do it. So we have I think there's at least 50 recipes in the book. And, you know, what about nutrition and supplements? And there's basically like everything you need to know about eating plants is in that book. Cool. 

 

[00:20:40] I mean, that sounds great. So then it begs the question, the health span solution, which let me read you a quick synopsis with Scrubs from online. Not my words. And share the simple and effective diet that has allow their clients to lose weight. 

 

[00:20:54] Reverse disease, reduce or eliminate medication use and archive optimal health. Achieve optimal health. This accessible and easy to follow guide examines the health risks posed by a typical Western eating habits and explains a how a diet rich in vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, mushrooms, nuts, seeds, herbs and spices can lead to lower blood pressure, healthy weight management and longer life. So if Idiot's Guide is to this comprehensive understanding, then would you argue that the health spend solution gets into disease and disease prevention? 

 

[00:21:29] Well, OK. So the first book, The Idiot's Guide, has everything you need to know about eating plants. What I've always wanted and dreamed about and fantasized about was having a colorful cookbook with pictures and images and all of that. 

 

[00:21:43] And that's what we did with the house band solution. I came together with Ray cronies almost four years ago and our work was so synergistic he brought all of this house span of metabolism, both two very different subjects. But that was his specialty. And so it's what we kind of combined are our work. We both mean what running around the world saying things like carbs are not a food group. We both had means that we had made and everyone else was looking at us like we had two heads, which was kind of funny because our paths had never crossed. So basically, this book is kind of a beautiful collaboration of everything we've wanted to do. He went to culinary school and while I've been you know, I didn't and I as a dietician, I'm always asked to do recipes. I had my own TV show, Rove's doing recipes and developing recipes. And that just kind of evolved. And I had to teach myself, well, he's got all those actual skills that he learned. So it's been really extraordinary to put our heads together and our work together. And I think that health solution is a combination of that. It is a cookbook. It's got over 100 recipes. So the emphasis is on food. But what we did really kind of crazy different is that the first four chapters, instead of doing like pantry lists and ingredients and basics, what you would find in most cookbooks, we did all we we concisely compacted a ton of science into four chapters. We we're so grateful that our publishers DKA enabled does it allowed us to kind of really just deep dove into the science because we wanted to share have all these great tools like a food triangle, which is not the food pyramid or you know, we've changed it because we want to change the language of food. We want to get away from macro confusion and we define all of that in the first four chapters. So it's kind of really dense and you get everything into four chapters. And then we had a great time making delicious soup, salad sides and sweets. We got rid of breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and desserts. And we because it's we don't care about time of day eating. We just wanted to eat that list, though. That list of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, lykins mushrooms, nuts, seeds, herbs and spices. So we're really excited about this book. And it's just it's just it's different. 

 

[00:23:45] It's got very similar information, distilled, but it's mostly focused on on how to do it, what to eat and how delicious eating this way really is. 

 

[00:23:55] Yeah, it's so. And I think the. Biography, probably captured on a lot of your pages, is a representation of the vibrancy of the way of eating as well. 

 

[00:24:04] Speaking to a former guest on the series just a couple of days ago who is a chef, and she just said we're drawn towards vibrant colors and he knows a plant based diet is is never there's nothing more fulfilled than that. That's why they have to put those chemicals into other things to make them more vibrant. You know, the salmon that you're eating and things of that nature and you buy raw. I'm curious, you mentioned the first few chapters being chock full of, you know, all of your scientific research and things like that. What are the top three takeaways for you? The most poignant parts about those chapters in the research that you're bringing, like your boiled down tinctures, you're axiomatic three or four points from those chapters. 

 

[00:24:44] It's a good question. I would say because we're trying to change the language. Again, macro confusion is a topic that is quite unique. And one of our biggest call to action to people, because we want people to think about food differently. And that's what we do in our lifestyle transformation company, is that we our goal is to change people's relationship with food. That is that is what we love doing. And I think that we kind of define that in the book. I would say the second thing maybe is the six daily threes. We talk about how to prioritize foods because we think about that big list of foods and all the I mean, I always say infinite combinations that we could put those ingredients together in tasty combinations. I would say that, you know, you want to prioritize from a nutritional standpoint because I still you know, I'm a dietitian. I still want people to get all their nutrition. And so we use a six daily 3s as a way to look at exactly what to kind of prioritize overall. And then, gosh, I have to pick a third one talking about health span. You know what we're talking about? There's a lot of data on health span and we're warehouse man and plant based nutrition collide. And where there's as beautiful, you know, cross CrossLink, is that perhaps a one of the reasons, you know, we always talk about the antiinflammatory benefits and what you're not getting by avoiding me and animal products, all those different things are really important and why we have all these extraordinary health advantages of eating plants, but where the housemen evidence shows and where it kind of comes together, is that the only way we've ever extended health span and longevity in all model organisms tested in a nutritional perspective from yeast to rodents to our primate cousins, is with dietary restriction without malnutrition. So while I was going around for the, I don't know, 10, 12 years before I met Raymon saying, you know, defending the adequacy of a plant based diet, you can get your like I said, where I came from, you can get your protein, you can get your iron, you can perhaps the reason it's so healthful is because of what it naturally limits. So maybe not having and, you know, not being obsessed with protein like so many people are. That is perhaps what is contributing to these health span and just wellness benefits of eating based diet. 

 

[00:27:13] Yeah, that's fascinating. It's a good flip on its head. I like that idea. 

 

[00:27:17] And investigating things from different angles. I'm wondering, are you clearly are in conversation with a great deal of colleagues and your partner that you've done a lot of these books with endeavoring? I'm wondering about any realizations you've had with the Cauvin 19 pandemic as of late in conversation with these plant based diet and the benefits that come from obviously your history with, you know, health increase performance, all of that returning to optimal health. Have you come away with any. Everyone has kind of reignited a refounded their relationship with healthy living. The world at large is starting to question unhealthy living and histories of where the food's coming from and things of that nature. But I'm asked. I'm wondering if you personally have had any new realizations in this time of quarantine and the pandemic about your own personal knowledge or trajectory with plant based living? 

 

[00:28:15] It's a good question. I don't think anything has changed for me personally. I just think it strengthens my resolve for what I've seen prior to this and what I've read and learned. And, you know, a hopeful plant based diet is extraordinary because of all of its foundational advantages. Like, you know, Anslem from an antiinflammatory. Properties are crucial, you know, not taking in things that are disease promoting, you know, the thing, the compounds that we find in animal products. The whole reason that we ended up here, perhaps, you know, the although the zoonotic impacts of of eating animals and producing animals, you know what's happening. You know, when you look at factory farming and antibiotic usage, that's where 70 to 80 percent of antibiotics are used, which is obviously propagating the whole superbugs in. And all these things that are potentially huge and could potentially cause more problems in the future. So I think that all of that. There's so many advantages to sticking to plants. I think it's also it's been interesting. As a dietitian and as a coach for my clients, because a lot of people work, they always come to me. And this is kind of the first time where they're like, oh, I have to get back in the kitchen or, you know, maybe I can't get me at the store. And so it's kind of forced people to rethink food. Like you said beautifully, it's a great opportunity. I think this is a great time. We've been trying to inspire our clients to, you know, be comfortable with just sticking to these staple foods. But it hasn't changed our approach. I would say there's going to be a lot of interesting stuff that comes out of this from a research perspective. I'm already starting to read on the initial stuff about vitamin D. We just had a wonderful interview with Paul Stamets, who's the expert in mushrooms and and that the efficacy of just of mushrooms as medicine. So there's so many amazing properties that you can get from a plant based diet. There's so many reasons to avoid animal products. And I think that this just adds to that. You know, just a very enormous reason to consider, you know, moving in this direction. I never like to tell people what they should. They have to eat or wide and then try to convince anyone, like I stop trying to convince people several years ago. But I'm happy to share as much information as I can and help people go through that process. But, you know, it's it's a very personal decision, what you put in your body. But, you know, we've seen a lot of it. It would be interesting to see later people's diets. And, you know, we've I think one of the very interesting things I've noticed, too, is that what we're hearing about that the people that have the more severe implications after they've contracted the disease are the people that know the morbidity and mortality rates with Koven, 19 happened to be coinciding with these comorbidities. And what are those comorbidities? Are things that we know can be you know, your risk can be reduced by a plant based diet. Type two diabetes. You know, obesity. All these things that we know. A plant based diet can help ameliorate would help decrease your risk. Possibly. We'll see. This can reduce your risk for certain things like what we're seeing with coronavirus. 

 

[00:31:18] Absolutely. All very good points. I'm wondering I'm looking forward to the future lot. Again, with the pandemic is a lot a lot of people as time to reflect about future prospects and goals and revamp what's important to them. 

 

[00:31:30] What do you see on your horizon? Is there another book in play? What is happening for you? I know you've got your podcast going and other current endeavors, but what goals you have moving forward? 

 

[00:31:41] Yes, well, we've been, you know, so busy with clients. Fortunately, you know, a lot of people need to get healthy and they're coming to us. And we really just want to be able to help as many people as we can. And we have to turn people away because there's only two of us right now. So we are trying to scale our company so that we get. As many people as possible, and we're building a an automated course, so a it'll be a 42 days, a six week health span transformation program that'll be all online. And so we're working on on developing content for that so that we can expand our horizons and just help as many people as possible. And there's other projects as our next book we are working right now are our publishers are asking for the proposal. So we're working on that. And there's just so many exciting things that we're doing. 

 

[00:32:27] That's wonderful. I look forward to all of it. I can't wait to investigate more about it when it comes out. We are out of time. But Julianne, I wanted to say thank you so much for speaking with us today and giving us all of your information. 

 

[00:32:39] Thank you so much for Tisha. I appreciate it. 

 

[00:32:41] Absolutely. For those of you who have been listening, we've been speaking with Julianna Haver. She's a plant based dietitian, author and Ted Speaker. You can locate more information about her on both Web sites. Health span solution, dot com and plant based dietitian, dot com. Thank you. For those of you who have been listening. We really appreciate your time today until we speak again next time. 

 

[00:33:01] Remember to eat clean, eat well, stay safe, stay in love and always bet on yourself. Sunshine.